At the Very Least, Mark-Paul Gosselaar Needs to Read This Post and Take Notes
[UPDATE: I just posted the following note on David's blog, and hope he'll allow it to appear on his site: "Hi David, I thought you should know about this. Unfortunately, it's how I really feel right now as a recently-retired PD. I was truly hoping for more from this program, and will admit to being somewhat piqued that my hopes were dashed so violently tonight. I'm sure my fellow PDs back in southern New Hampshire and the Boston Trial Unit are thinking similar thoughts right now. I realize "Philly" got cancelled, but it strikes me as having hit substantially closer to the mark, and on some level I have to believe that you know that and are yourself somewhat disappointed (I can only imagine the editorial processes you have to run your ideas through). I'm still hoping, I suppose, for a turnaround down the line. I understand the program's initial episode order was small, so maybe there's still time. Be well, -- Seth."].
So I watched Raising the Bar tonight. [See my prior post on this subject].
What Feige got right? The stunning power of the clerk class (albeit not through such direct means as represented on the show), the self-righteousness of both sides of the system on occasion, the egotism of some judges, and the fact that being a public defender means constantly feeling as though you've failed someone in a way that completely ruined their life and the lives of everyone they love.
But I have ten questions for David, co-creator of the show, fellow blogger, and presumably the person responsible for (as it were) fact-checking the script of this show.
1. Do you know any public defenders who cry as easily as Jerry Kellerman? As PDs we've all cried at least once, many of us much more than that. But you harden eventually, and certainly you never let your emotions show in an inappropriate setting unless you're physically incapable of stopping yourself. Crying in front of clients reduces their faith in your abilities; mugging absurdly in front of the judge after every blown call gains one a reputation for unprofessionalism, hurts your ability to persuade the court, and generally is something linked only to attorneys in their first or second month of practice (a colleague would bring the hammer down quickly enough). The notion that Kellerman destroys every social event he's at with his self-righteous palaver is likewise something I can't imagine surviving long in the hothouse of the criminal justice system. Are things different in New York?
2. Have you ever met a public defender who was "convinced" all his/her clients were guilty? No character ever depicted in a legal drama, on any television network ever in service, is less likely to have ever been a public defender in the past than Judge Kessler (I laughed when she provided that element of her bio, and not just because PDs are hardly ever elevated to the bench, for political reasons). Yet not only is Kessler a former PD, she also claims to have, as a PD, believed all her clients were guilty. How long was she a PD for? Sixteen minutes? Which office would have employed someone like that? Why would she have become a PD in the first place, given her ambitions regarding the bench? Are things different in New York?
3. In a case relying almost exclusively on the ID, do prosecutors in New York routinely concede the weakness of their ID? This was stunning. The ADA's negotiations with Kellerman were realistic enough, as were her later actions to try to mitigate the damage her prosecution had done. But really, she's going to just give up the ID like that in closing, in a case she still intends to win? What else did she have for a closing argument, beyond that and all her unlikely in-court clothing*? Do prosecutors tank their cases intentionally in closing like that, in New York?
* She dresses like that in the office? Seriously? Although it makes sense, given that she also sexually assaults her direct superior (crotch-grabbing) in the first three minutes of the show.
4. Have you ever met a prosecutor who privileges winning a case over locking up the innocent? I'm happy to say I haven't, and frankly I don't think you have, either (thank God). Sure, we all know prosecutors willing to condone and profit from procedural irregularities--but always because they personally believe the defendant is guilty. You've got a lawyer in this show willing to get disbarred over a single "win," not to mention destroying his reputation in the legal community (if I ever found out an attorney had done what he did, I not only would have reported him but almost certainly would never have negotiated with him again). I've been as frustrated with prosecutors, I'm sure, as you have, but I never tried a case against anyone who would've let a clearly innocent man be jailed for a crime the prosecutor knew he didn't commit. Are things different in New York?
5. Have you ever recommended that a client rat someone out? I've never done that. And no PD I know ever does that. And most clients I ever represented would have been disgusted with me if I'd ever proposed such a thing to them. They'd consider it an impeachment of their honor and their integrity. Are things different in New York?
6. In New York, do single-suspect photo identifications routinely not get tossed via a motion in limine? You must have known it would be stunning to any attorney watching the show that that ID made it into court. But maybe things are different in New York?
7. Do prosecutors in New York not have the sole authority, at their discretion, to nol pros cases? If the ADA wanted to dump the rape and plead the E Felony, wouldn't Judge Kessler's discretion have been limited to saying she was going to reject the 1 1/2 to 3 on the E Felony and instead (pending an assessment by probation) stick it to the defendant with the max on that charge? It seems odd that you both overstate and understate the power of prosecutors--and the way they commonly deploy their powers--in a single episode of a single show. Unless things are different in New York?
8. Say a prosecutor makes himself a witness in a case by sitting in on the interrogation of the defendant. In New York is that copacetic? Because the show just told me it was, despite the fact that (as you and I both know) that would never happen, and it's a product of the Law & Order series that we even think it could or might, and no attorney is that stupid or irresponsible, and frankly the show didn't really need the ADA to be present at the interrogation for that plotline to work. What it did do, though, is completely vitiate any sense you'd created of a public defender's special access to the defendant. This is precisely the sort of access of which your primary story is composed, and which the Law & Order series seeks to deny PDs by constantly putting them in rooms with both prosecutors and their clients. The whole point of the African-American ADA's "us versus them" mentality is that it is born of never--never ever--having had a conversation of any substance with a real live defendant currently on trial. But maybe, in New York...
9. Do public defenders in New York brazenly and casually inject race into their closing arguments, when doing so offers no advantage to their client except to inflame (and, in this instance, rightly) both judge and jury? Did that part of the script seem as stupid and unnecessary and contrived to you as it did to me, and as offensive to public defenders? Because most folks (after the Simpson trial) think defense attorneys inject race at every turn, and in fact we almost never do--and certainly never where it doesn't manifestly benefit the client (i.e., insert itself into the case in a way the average jury will find meaningful, instructive, and probative). Of course, you practice in New York, so what do I know?
10. New York is a place where everyone fucks everyone else (opposing counsel, your boss at the public defender's office, the judge you clerk for) and never recuses themselves from anything, am I right? It seems like it. Also, it seems like the truth of what happens in the criminal justice system wasn't sexy enough for TNT, or for you and/or your bosses.
To the extent the show's getting panned in the media, is it really because there isn't enough trashy talk, sex, skimpy clothing, and absurd courtroom melodrama to be had here? Or is it because there's no sense whatsoever that we're going to learn--or see--anything interesting, let alone true, in watching this? Something to consider, isn't it? And lest one say, "Well then write your own damn show!", I'd respond as follows: get me Bochco's home phone number, tell him I'm a public defender who's also a writer currently at the Iowa Writer's Workshop, and we'll see where it goes.
What I don't buy is this notion that the truth would just bore everybody. Really? If so, then someone explain this: When some bloke in Baltimore proposed a show depicting every slogging, bureaucracy-laden moment in the average police investigation, as well as the problems with urban schools, and (Christ!) even issues with stevedores' unions--a little show called The Wire--were they wrong to think it could be done brilliantly and compellingly? Because that's the best television show I've ever seen in my life, and the sex between co-workers there was bloody minimal, I tell you.
So, my final question for David:
Can you give public defenders a reason--just one--to keep watching this show?
Monday, September 01, 2008
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I made an attempt to liveblog the pilot. It didn't go very well, because there was lots I couldn't say and little I could.
I agree with all your questions about the show, by the way.
Thanks, Gideon. I had a feeling I wasn't alone here, and would love to hear what other PDs have to say on this. This has as much potential as Law & Order, I think, to hurt the profession--which is particularly sad, given David's background as a PD.
Be well,
S.
My own thoughts are at this link.
I'll post something at PD Stuff too.
Seth,
It being 1 am, I'm too tired to attempt all ten questions. So for now, all I'll add is this. I'm not surprised you didn't like the pilot, and I'm not surprised by the things that upset you. Give it time.
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
It's a process. I'm proud of my book. It nails what I want to say, but it's easy to write a book that's pure, It's just you and an editor, and if you're lucky a few ten thousands of people will read it. Doing a TV show is different. The scale, the money, the interests involved all require some shifting of expectations, some compromise.
You can talk about The Wire. It was a fine show, but do you know how many people watched it? Fewer than a million. If we post numbers anything like that, you won't have to worry about RTB, we'll get canned in a heartbeat.
I don't mind your judgments. I'd prefer it if they were gentle given that I've given over a dozen years to direct representation, and fought my heart out for our clients and their cause, but go ahead and judge. But as you do, judge me too on this: Are the clients drawn humanely? Do the lawyers genuinely care about them no matter what they've done? Do the PD's fight passionately for every client? Does the show depict the system as fundamentally broken? Does the show confront issues of race and class?
If the sense is that the show does those things well, I'd ask for some leeway in the relationship stuff. Wait and see what happens. Give the show a chance. The script was the first one I ever wrote. Sure there are clunky parts, and sure it'd be better if I wrote it today. So watch three or four more. If you still hate the show, pull the plug. But give me the benefit of the doubt.
Hey there David,
Probably a more temperate response than I deserved, so I thank you for that. My only defense in being so acerbic--and it isn't much of one--is that, as a writer as well as a former public defender, it's been my dream for years to see the work my heroes do on the big screen. I say "heroes," and I mean it; having started to come apart myself after six years on the job, my attitude towards someone like yourself who stayed in for 12 to 15 years is almost akin to hero-worship. I'd always kind of thought that the one thing I could give back, once I'd left the job, was a rendering in art of how it was. Watching someone else's vision--yours, anyone's--is probably like being the injured starting shortstop during the Big Game and having to watch the whole thing from the bench. Torture. I suppose my biggest concern is whenever I see anything that's gotten "wrong" which doesn't have to be gotten wrong--i.e., the drama would only be heightened by getting it right. And that's most things that legal dramas get wrong. For instance, how about when a client threatens your life in a situation where you couldn't defend yourself well, and you don't know if he's kidding or not? I imagine a scene where the audience doesn't know either--along with the attorney. It's the subtleties like that that could make for great television, I'd always thought, not the grandiose mugging-for-the-camera and hand-wringing self-righteousness I worry Mark-Paul is burdened with now. In any case, if the scene of being threatened were true to life, Mark-Paul would end up getting a beautiful Christmas card from the guy months later.*
* True story. And yes, I still think he was probably serious, in an ephemeral, passing sense.
Re: The Wire. You got me. I realized that was a flaw in the argument, as I know the show was popular with critics but not audiences. That said, I have to think the post-run earnings will be significant (DVD sales and rentals, for instance).
In any case, I'll answer your question: the absolute best thing about the pilot, and I should have said this right off, is the portrayal of the client. Most viewers will think it's the least accurate thing, but you and I know it was probably the most dead-on. Yes, I've represented that guy. Many times. And the little things--like him urging his attorney not to go down on his behalf when the two are sitting in that cell--is perfectly rendered. A whole lot more of that, please.
Just tell Mark-Paul to tone down the mugging! I'd shoot any co-worker I saw acting like that. If there's one thing I was, and my co-workers were, it was professional (NB: I hope none of my old co-workers are reading this, because I'm sure there were some times...some prosecutors...). The drama always lay in the situations which required that of us, and how we showed grace and class and composure even when no reasonable person could have expected it of us.
Be well,
Seth
What is the status of the "RTB: Nashua Edition" treatment? Does anybody know whether Dustin Diamond is available?
I haven't seen the show, and as a mainstream TV production, I doubt it depicts the criminal justice system accurately. However, as a public defender, I disagree with most of your opinions.
"1. Do you know any public defenders who cry as easily as Jerry Kellerman?"
--This is probably true, but seriously, who cares? Are you afraid people won't think you're tough because they've seen a TV show about fictional members of the same profession?
"2. Have you ever met a public defender who was "convinced" all his/her clients were guilty?"
--Not exactly, but I have dealt with 2 current judges (former public defenders) who say shit like all defendants are guilty b/c they are too jaded, tired, or hateful to really think back to the real clients they had as public defenders. Or they just want to push the defense lawyer into talking his client into taking a deal. There are also a lot of burn-out public defenders who say all kinds of crazy shit.
"4. Have you ever met a prosecutor who privileges winning a case over locking up the innocent?"
--You can't even *imagine* a prosecutor who would rather win than be concerned w/ guilt or innocence?? Maybe in the show, it's done in an over-the-top way that I'm not getting from your comment. But I can't even see where you're coming from on this one, your comment sounds naive at best.
"5. Have you ever recommended that a client rat someone out?"
--So my answer to your question is No. However, MANY public defenders do this all the time and even more criminal defendants beg their lawyers to get them a snitch deal. I've had dozens of clients beg me to do this for them, even asking me for phone numbers to police officers and DA's, we have a lot of incarcerated defendants mistakenly calling our front desk (trying to reach the DA) hoping to snitch out someone else for a better deal, and I've had several DA's directly ask whether my client is willing to cooperate.
--I can't IMAGINE that given that climate, NOT A SINGLE public defender has ever cooperated with their client's cooperation. Where you practice, is there no such thing as the War on Drugs?
"6. In New York, do single-suspect photo identifications routinely not get tossed via a motion in limine?"
--In many cities in California, the routine police practice is the 1-person cold show -- granted, it's not a 1-person photo lineup, but it's just as unreliable and most judges let it in.
"9. Do public defenders in New York brazenly and casually inject race into their closing arguments, when doing so offers no advantage to their client except to inflame (and, in this instance, rightly) both judge and jury?"
--Honestly, your idea that we SHOULD NOT "inject race" into a jury trial is incredibly offensive and represents a mindset completely out of touch with that of most of our clients. Race is a deeply-embedded aspect of the American criminal justice system, which I hope you already understand. With the right jury and the right case, it can be an important aspect of the defense. It's not "injecting" some foreign concept, it's explaining and exposing the effect of racism in the investigation of cases or the way real life situations play out.
I think the fact that I really have no idea where you're coming from on several of these points demonstrates my point: every public defender is different and your drastic generalizations are as inappropriate as they are inaccurate.
Hi there Peter,
As I mentioned in my initial post on this subject, and in the follow-up post above, I recognize that small-city practice and big-city practice are distinct, and certainly repeatedly allowed for, in the post above, the possibility that things in NYC (or where you practice, for that matter) are different from what I experienced. But to be clear, there's no issue of naivete here--I wrote what I know, unvarnished, plain and simple. But to respond to a few things you said:
* The crying issue isn't about toughness. As I said, it's about professionalism. I think I laid out the reasons for that pretty clearly in the post. But even beyond what I said, I'd add that one of the reasons PDs don't cry like Kellerman is because the tragedies the show depicts as unique--impliedly, by showing how distraught Kellerman is, even to the point where he's beyond all reason or logic--are commonplace. I worry the crying masks that reality.
* Sounds like we don't disagree that no PD would say all his/her clients are guilty. Which is all I said, as you know.
* Counselor, I said I didn't think any prosecutor not subject to disbarrment would *knowingly* elect to prosecute an innocent person just to get a "win." You quoted that premise back to me as "You can't even *imagine* a prosecutor who would rather win than be concerned w/ guilt or innocence??" As an attorney, I'll leave it to you to think about the multiple differences between what I said and what you repeated back to me as being what I said. The focus would be on that squishy word "concerned," which can include everything up to negligence, willful ignorance, and so on. I was speaking of an intentionally false prosecution of somone known by the DA to be actually innocent (not just legally so).
* It sounds like we agree that PDs don't ask clients to snitch, which is, as you know, all I said here. What I didn't say is that no one snitches, and I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Yes, we do have drug snitches in NH. They're rare, and we never approach them about doing it, but it happens and I never said it didn't. It seems odd to me that you say you've never asked anyone to snitch but that "MANY public defenders do this all the time..." Does that sound like hyperbole to both of us, or just me...?
* Re: "I can't IMAGINE that given that climate, NOT A SINGLE public defender has ever cooperated with their client's cooperation." Again, not sure what you're talking about. I said we don't ask or encourage clients to snitch. If they do, obviously we continue to represent them and I never said otherwise.
* Re: one-man show-ups. Yes, they're common, counselor, which is why I explicitly referenced the unlikeliness of a one-man photo lineup. There's a huge difference, and just because you're equating the two to "disprove" my observation doesn't mean that I am. As to what I actually said, you've conceded I'm correct ("granted, it's not a 1-person photo lineup...").
Re: "Honestly, your idea that we SHOULD NOT 'inject race' into a jury trial is incredibly offensive [etc. etc.]..." Again, this'd make sense if I'd said that. I said that PDs who are responsible don't inject the issue of race into a closing argument unless the case warrants it. Your rant on this topic has nothing to do with what I said. And, again, at base you agree with me, and I (like you) am explicitly, me with my post and you with your comment, condoning the idea that "it's not 'injecting' some foreign concept, it's explaining and exposing the effect of racism in the investigation of cases or the way real life situations play out." Exactly. If racism played a role in the case, like in the "investigation of [the] case" or the "way real life situations play out," I'm saying it's fine to talk about race in closing. And that's what you're saying, too. We agree. But doing it for no purpose other than to inflame the passions of the jury is not only a violation of the rules of evidence, but unwise for the client and not something PDs do.
All I can suggest is that you read again what I actually said, not that I'm inclined to keep arguing this with you. Take care,
Seth
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